It doesn’t matter how big you are, how well known you are or not, the thought police are going to come after you.
Mike Harris drew a cartoon likening the “they’re not really humans just clumps of cells” to the way the Nazis treated their victims in gas chambers. It’s a very poignant cartoon, and makes you think about how disgusting abortion really truly is.
Twitter didn’t like how effective the messaging was, apparently.
He’s now suspended for the act of daring to speak his mind.
This is another incident of double standards, as the left can call us nazis all day long on the site, but once we use the same type of messaging, it’s now “offensive” and “against community standards?”
All of this is an attempt by big tech to hold down the grass roots swell of artists and influencers who are rebelling against the machine before the 2020 election. They don’t want our message out like we got it out last time, and they will use everything in their power to stifle our speech.
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Fun fact, Jon: there is not a single passage in the Bible that actually condemns abortion.
Second fun fact: the Bible DOES have a passage in which God himself tells Moses to teach priests how to administer abortifacients to women who are suspected of committing adultery.
“‘But if you have … made yourself impure by having sexual relations with a man other than your husband’ — here the priest is to put the woman under this curse — ‘may the Lord cause you to become a curse[d] among your people when he makes your womb miscarry and your abdomen swell. May this water that brings a curse enter your body so that your abdomen swells or your womb miscarries.'”
— Numbers 5:12-29
Third fun fact: the Bible ALSO has a passage stating that men who cause a woman to miscarry shall be fined as for a property crime — NOT punished as for a murder.
“When people who are fighting injure a pregnant woman so that she has a miscarriage but no other injury occurs, then the guilty party will be fined what the woman’s husband demands, as negotiated with the judges.”
— Exodus 21:22
Oops.
Fun fact, I don’t care, nor does anyone else. Go sperg on some other blog.
“Fun fact, I don’t care, nor does anyone else. ”
What’s this? A “Christian” who doesn’t care what the Bible actually says?
I’m shocked. Shocked, I say.
Maybe you should try actually reading that book sometime… it might do you some good!
Satan worshippers quoting the Bible out of context in 2019:
fUn fAcT: the Bibel does not mention the USA flying to them. Moon. SO, the moon landing was fake.
(Btw the moon landing was faked)
“Satan worshippers quoting the Bible out of context”
LOL.
You’re welcome to read that entire chapter in Numbers for yourself.
“fUn fAcT: the Bibel does not mention the USA flying to them. Moon. SO, the moon landing was fake.”
Wow, talk about the world’s stinkiest red herring. Impressive work there!
Keep trying. But next time, try for a little actual logic instead of that gobbledygook.
Logic is reserved for the few men capable of understanding it. Rhetoric is for mocking liars.
“Logic is reserved for the few men capable of understanding it.”
Which clearly leaves you and Jon out in the cold..
“Rhetoric is for mocking liars.”
And it’s so extremely easy to mock you guys with it. It’s like Twain’s classic quip about engaging in a battle of wits against an unarmed opponent.
😉
Fun fact: there is not a single passage in the Constitution that permits abortion, much less guarantees it. OTOH, there are numerous Bible verses that imply that life in the womb has value.
Psalms 139:13 – 127:16 – For thou hast possessed my reins: thou hast covered me in my mother’s womb.
Isaiah 49:1 – Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name.
Exodus 21:22-25 – If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart [from her], and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman’s husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges [determine].
Jeremiah 1:5 – Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, [and] I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.
Luke 1:41 – And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost:
Proverbs 6:16-19 – These six [things] doth the LORD hate: yea, seven [are] an abomination unto him: (Read More…)
Ecclesiastes 11:5 – As thou knowest not what [is] the way of the spirit, [nor] how the bones [do grow] in the womb of her that is with child: even so thou knowest not the works of God who maketh all.
Psalms 22:10 – I was cast upon thee from the womb: thou [art] my God from my mother’s belly.
Psalms 106:38-39 – And shed innocent blood, [even] the blood of their sons and of their daughters, whom they sacrificed unto the idols of Canaan: and the land was polluted with blood
Amen. Thank you for coming and commenting, Mike!
@Mike —
“Fun fact: there is not a single passage in the Constitution that permits abortion, much less guarantees it.”
SCOTUS, in Roe v. Wade, disagrees with you.
“Psalms 139:13 – 127:16 – For thou hast possessed my reins: thou hast covered me in my mother’s womb.” (and etc.)
Yep. So?
Remember: abortion in the US is generally legal (ignoring for the moment the recent draconian bans in a couple of states) before the stage of fetal viability (when the fetus is developed enough to survive outside the mother’s uterus). And less than 1% of all abortions occur after that stage. Most of your quotes don’t say a thing about the gestational stage of the fetus (except for the Elizabeth quote, for which see below), so we don’t know what part of pregnancy they are referencing. It’s significant, though, that the only one we **do** know the gestational age of (Elizabeth), was more than six months along at the time. So we have no evidence that the guys who wrote the Bible cared at all about a fetus before it was at least six months into gestation — and they never say a single word about abortion.
“Exodus 21:22-25 – If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart [from her], and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman’s husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges [determine].”
I already quoted this one, which supports my point — they are punished as for a property crime, not as for a murder. Oops.
“Luke 1:41 – And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost”
See above. Elizabeth was already six months pregnant here — past the viability stage.
“Psalms 106:38-39 – And shed innocent blood, [even] the blood of their sons and of their daughters, whom they sacrificed unto the idols of Canaan: and the land was polluted with blood”
This one doesn’t say a single thing about fetuses, sorry!
At this point I’ll interject that I have no problem with restrictions (not bans) on abortions after the stage of fetal viability — and, as I mentioned above, such restrictions are already in effect. But it’s just stupid to declare that the human soul enters the fetus at conception.
Consider this puzzle: identical twins are produced when a very early embryo, after conception, splits into two parts. But if the soul enters the embryo **at** conception, this means that each twin must receive only half of the soul when they split apart. Seriously?
And a similar puzzle: chimeras are produced when two early embryos fuse together, forming one person. But if the soul enters the embryo at conception, this means that a chimera has TWO souls. Again — seriously?
Fun fact: abortifacients were considered either witch work or sorcery (pharmakopiea). Both witches and sorcerers faced the death penalty, per the Torah.
Fun fact: the Old Testament lessons and proscription are still valid, except where replaced by the Christ as part of the Second Covenant.
Fun fact: your are a Shmoo, Contrarius. Listen hard:
BUNCH OF CELLS!
You can now be aborted.
Begone.
“Fun fact: abortifacients were considered either witch work or sorcery (pharmakopiea). Both witches and sorcerers faced the death penalty, per the Torah.”
Wrong book, Psycho. The lesson I quoted between God and Moses was in the Old Testament, not the Torah.
Do you think God was telling Moses how to teach witches? Or do you think the Bible was lying about what God said to Moses?
If you believe there is any passage in the Bible which forbids abortion, please quote it. I’ll be waiting. 🙂
“The lesson I quoted between God and Moses was in the Old Testament, not the Torah.”
Your ignorance is showing.
“Torah (/ˈtɔːrə, ˈtoʊrə/; Hebrew: תּוֹרָה, “Instruction”, “Teaching” or “Law”) has a range of meanings. It can most specifically mean the first five books (Pentateuch) of the 24 books of the Tanakh, and it is usually printed with the rabbinic commentaries (perushim). It can mean the continued narrative from the Book of Genesis to the end of the Tanakh (Chronicles), and it can even mean the totality of Jewish teaching, culture and practice, whether derived from biblical texts or later rabbinic writings.[1] Common to all these meanings, Torah consists of the origin of Jewish peoplehood: their call into being by God, their trials and tribulations, and their covenant with their God, which involves following a way of life embodied in a set of moral and religious obligations and civil laws (halakha).
In rabbinic literature the word Torah denotes both the five books (Hebrew: תורה שבכתב “Torah that is written”) and the Oral Torah (תורה שבעל פה, “Torah that is spoken”).”
Numbers and Exodus, which you quoted from, are both part of the first five books of the Old Testsment, aka the Pentateuch, aka the Torah.
Google is your friend!
“Your ignorance is showing.”
That’s a nice long attempt at distraction, and all, but I specified the Old Testament because the audience here is primarily Christian, not Jewish; additionally, as Numbers clearly shows us the lesson between God and Moses regarding the abortifacient, Psycho must either be mistaken or reading a different, non-Biblical part of the Torah if she believes that anyone using an abortifacient would automatically be condemned to death. Remember, as you quoted yourself, “Torah” can refer to the sum total of Jewish teachings, not just what we include in the OT.
Reading is fundamental! 🙂
Speaking of the Torah and Google. you might learn something from the following web page, which begins thusly:
“An unborn fetus in Jewish law is not considered a person (Heb. nefesh, lit. “soul”) until it has been born. The fetus is regarded as a part of the mother’s body and not a separate being until it begins to egress from the womb during parturition (childbirth). In fact, until forty days after conception, the fertilized egg is considered as “mere fluid.” These facts form the basis for the Jewish legal view on abortion. Biblical, talmudic, and rabbinic support for these statements will now be presented…..”
https ://www.google .com/amp/s/www.myjewishlearning.com/article/the-fetus-in-jewish-law/amp/
Jews fromvbiblical times did not have access to mpdern medical science, news at 11.
“Jews fromvbiblical times did not have access to mpdern medical science, news at 11.”
So what? Abortifacients have been available for thousands of years.
Google is your friend.
Since that has nothing to do with nothing I don’t care.
“Since that has nothing to do with nothing I don’t care.”
Aaaand yet another so-called Christian who doesn’t care about what the Bible actually says. What a surprise!
Follow the thread, baby killer. You said abortificients have been available since ancient times. That’s a historical claim that’s totally irrelevant to the morality of baby killing.
“You said abortificients have been available since ancient times. That’s a historical claim that’s totally irrelevant to the morality of baby killing.”
Again — pre-viability fetuses are not babies, no matter how many times you slap on the wrong label.
And I only brought up the historical existence of abortifacients because you made that silly statement about ancient Jews not having modern medicine. I’m glad to see you agree that it was irrelevant to the discussion! 🙂
“Thou shall not kill”
There ya go, a verse that condemns baby killing.
“There ya go, a verse that condemns baby killing.”
Thou shalt not kill squirrels?
Thou shalt not kill turkeys?
Thou shalt not kill snails?
No — the commandment means thou shalt not kill **human beings**. And a fetus is not a human being any more than an acorn is an oak tree.
Remember, Jewish law has determined that a fetus is not a human being until the moment of birth. And as Alexander already pointed out so helpfully, they share their religious foundations with Christians — including the Ten Commandments. They realized long ago that this particular commandment doesn’t apply to fetuses, because fetuses **are not yet human beings**.
(As I mentioned earlier, Jewish law takes things further than I would personally. Personally, I think it’s reasonable to recognize fetal rights after they reach viability. But I digress.)
Keep trying.
An acorn IS An oak tree. Do people seriously make thst retarded argument still ? It is every inch biologically an oak at an early stage of development, at least one that has started growing.
We value an acorn differently than a grown tree because our vslue system dor plants is based on utility and preference. Thid id like saying because We prefer roses over weeds we should be able to kill babies. It’s retarded.
I truly do not care about what you are saying of Jewish law. If what you are saying is universally accepted among Jews – which I doubt – they are as wrong as you, and pro-baby killers.
A fetus is a human being. This is Bio 101. To deny it is pure sophistry.
“An acorn IS An oak tree.”
Don’t be ridiculous. Does an acorn have leaves? Bark? Roots? A trunk? No, of course not. An acorn is the **potential** for an oak tree, nothing more.
“I truly do not care about what you are saying of Jewish law. “
I’m not at all surprised that you don’t care about what the Bible actually says. So many so-called Christians don’t.
“A fetus is a human being. This is Bio 101. To deny it is pure sophistry.”
No. A pre-viability fetus has no existence apart from the mother’s body. As Jewish law recognizes, it is part of her body and hers to control. It is the **potential** for a human being, nothing more.
I notice that you have carefully ignored the puzzles I presented about identical twins and chimeras. Care to try explaining them?
An acorn is biologically in evety way an oak tree in an early stage of development. This is not a controversial statement, it is basic biology.
A fetus is a deveeloping member of the human spwcies. Therefore killing one is murder. Every other comment you made is irrelevant. That Jews of yore don’t know modern Biology is irrelevant. That jews presently don’t acknowledge Biology is irrelevant. You are pro-baby killer.
An acorn is biologically in evety way an oak tree in an early stage of development. “
No. It is **going to be** an oak tree, IF it successfully germinates and grows. It isn’t one yet — no roots, no trunk, no bark, no leaves.
Remember, DNA isn’t everything. A skin cell is not a human being, even though we can turn a skin cell into another being. DNA is only potential, not identity.
“A fetus is a deveeloping member of the human spwcies. “
So is a skin cell. Is a skin cell a human being?
“Therefore killing one is murder”
Is killing a skin cell murder?
“That Jews of yore don’t know modern Biology is irrelevant. “
I am talking about moden Jewish law here, not just ancient. Read that page I cited, O Religion Major. Try actually educating yourself.
Of course, as expected, like in every discussion it’s always the ones who want to kill their babies who are science deniers, forced to defend their baby killing by appealing to books they neither believe in or understand.
It’s almost as if they don’t care about science or religion and just want to find a way to kill their babies without guilt.
“It’s almost as if they don’t care about science or religion and just want to find a way to kill their babies without guilt.“
Do you think that was God’s motivation when he told Moses how to teach priests to administer abortifacients in the Bible?
And again, the baby killer must deny science and resort to interpreting Scriptires they don’t believe to justify their murders.
“And again, the baby killer must deny science and resort to interpreting Scriptires they don’t believe to justify their murders.”
Was the Bible lying when it depicted God telling Moses how to teach priests to administer abortifacients? Was the Bible lying when it said to fine men who caused a miscarriage as a property crime instead of a murder?
And speaking of science denial — how about those identical twins, hmmm? How about those chimeras, hmmmm? And how about those skin cells?
(….crickets….crickets….crickets….)
“Was God lying…”
You’re an atheist who doesn’t believe in, respect, or understand our religious texts, yet you appeal to them to justify your desire to kill babies.
“What about chimeras and identical twins”.
Fetuses are biologically human beings who are developing into adult human beings like any other, just at an early stage of their development. Everything else here – everything – is totally irrelevant to this fact.
Sorry baby killer, unlike you I don’t resort to science denial or appeal to religion to justify my belief that murder of human beings is wrong. I guess that’s just a baby killer thing.
I don’t believe you’re so dumb to not know the difference between a skin cell and the early stage in the life cycle of a human being, so I have to conclude you’re lying in order to justify your twisted desire to kill babies.
I don’t “confuse DNA with identity”. That is actually precisely what you’re doing right now, in a nifty bit of sophistry, as I’m sure you know.
You don’t need to do this. Just admit what you know is true and repent. We’ll be there waiting for you, welcoming you. Until then, science denier, you will always be our enemy.
You’re arguing with the wrong guy, baby killer. I am actually a Religion major, and have taken courses in both Old and New Testament generally as well as more specific books. As a fetus is a human being by every possible definition and we are commanded not to kill I am far too wary of a baby killer throwing out verses casually to justify their murders. Be gone, Satan.
LOL!
You think being a religion major means you care what the Bible actually says? That’s hilarious.
“As a fetus is a human being by every possible definition”
No.
Again — try explaining my puzzles about the identical twins and chimeras, for a start.
Then try explaining why we should treat something with no higher brain functions as a human being.
Then try explaining the difference between a skin cell and a newly conceived embryo. We can use a skin cell to clone a new being — so does that make a skin cell a human being itself? Do skin cells have rights?
Of course, if you can’t even recognize the difference between an acorn and an oak tree, I don’t hold out much hope for your skills with logic.
“and we are commanded not to kill “
You never kill mosquitos? Never kill earthworms? Never kill weeds in your lawn?
Logic. Give it a try.
Oh, and since you’re a religion major and all, you should know plenty of Bible verses condemning abortion — right?
Still waiting.
I already showed you the Bible verse thst condemns killing babies. Unlike the baby killers I am not a science denier, so that’s all I need.
“I already showed you the Bible verse thst condemns killing babies.”
Of course, again, fetuses **are not babies**. Which the Bible clearly tells you both in the passage about priests administering abortifacients, and in the passage in which people who cause a miscarriage are punished as for a property crime, not a murder.
Are those Bible passages lying? Was God lying?
Keep trying. Unless, of course, you truly don’t care about what the Bible actually says.
And speaking of science denial — how about those identical twins, hmmm? How about those chimeras, hmmmm? And how about those skin cells?
(….crickets….crickets….crickets….)
Unlike you, I don’t deny science because I want to kill babies, you cretin. Since you don’t even know Bio 101 I’m gonna have to pass on humoring you as you read thst wikipedia article on chimeras.
You deny basic biological facts. You are by definition a denier of science. It’s even easy stuff.
You’re either really that dumb or trying to come up with an excuse to kill babies. Either way, that’s not me.
Moreover, you can’t follow the thread. Identical twins, chimeras, and skin cells are irrelevant to the fact that a fetus is a human at an early stage of development. Therefore killing it is murder.
If you deny that you’re a science denier, baby killer.
Why do you keep mistaking DNA for identity? I never once mentioned DNA. That’s all been you. Stop lying, baby killer. Repent.
So, to recap this thread:
First the baby killer, to justify his desire to kill babies, tried quoting Scripture he does not believe in, understand, or respect.
Then he started denying that a fetus is the early stage of a developing human being.
So we have the ultimate irony: In order to justify his beliefs, the baby killer must appeal to Scripture and deny scientific evidence.
All of this is propped up with an air of pseudo-intellectualism, as he desperately tries to get you to bite on irrelevant asides or useless debates while pretending all of this is really beneath him – see all the “LOL!”s and the frequent *crickets* refrain. It’s like debating a really bratty child who totally doesn’t care, guys, totally!
This is what winning looks like, baby.